On a visit to my brother, he rounded up all his old minis and let me borrow the box of them to share on the blog. I didn’t tell him I’m going to Ebay them all and pocket the change. Shhhh!
As some of you may have noticed, there was no “Old Mini Monday” last week. There’s a good chance that there won’t be one every Monday, but I’ll try. Last week I was trying to finish something up for Azazel’s April Assembly Challenge. This last weekend I was going to take a small breather from painting, but it ended up being the whole weekend. I did prime a few miniatures though, so it wasn’t a total waste.
More importantly to this post, I setup my new lighting rig and carved out a space for it on my desk. With the number of old minis my brother had, and the challenge to get a set of them photo’d every week, I really needed a lighting studio that I didn’t have to make space for every time and store away afterwards.
Enough chit chat, let’s see those old minis!
On the bottom of the minis is stamped “Dee Herman”, “L&L”, and various dates. It looks like the dates are 1987, 1988, and 1989. I know that “Dee Herman” represents the creators of the game that these minis were made for. So, that’s “Jeff Dee” and “Jack Herman”. I recall “L&L” being the company “Lance & Laser” which made minis for this game. Looks like they are still around on the web: Armorcast (Lance & Laser) website
Jeff Dee and Jack Herman can be reached through this website which features the new Mighty Protectors game (Villains & Vigilantes 3.0): Monkey House Games website
At some point the miniature line moved to another company, and they are readily available at the following site. I’m not sure if any updates or changes have been made since they were first made. Scroll down to the “Living Legends” section: Team Frog Studios website
[EDIT: The Team Frog Studios website says the minis are 28mm. It also looks like they might all be out of stock, but after emailing them directly they were able to send me an invoice for a couple items. Paul replied back super quick, which was great.]
These six miniatures represent superheroes from an introductory adventure module from the second Superhero RPG to be published “Villains & Vigilantes (V&V)”. The module was called “Crisis at Crusader Citadel”. It came with the boxed set of the game, so anyone who played V&V was very familiar with the module. Much like the “Keep on the Borderlands” module for D&D. The minis were based off of artwork from the module which was drawn by Jeff Dee (co-creator of V&V).
We played quite a bit of the V&V rpg game when we were kids, and it remained one of our favorite rpg systems for quite some time. It’s not surprising that we would want to buy the miniatures at some point. The character names (from left to right) are: Dreamweaver, Laserfire, Manta Man, Enforcer, Evergreen, and Blizzard. They all belong to the super team, called “The Crusaders”.
For even more history on the V&V game, you can check out the Monkey House Games forum or Wikipedia:
Tangent – Scale
Size comparison – Plastic WizKids D&D mini, V&V mini, and GW 2017 Blood Bowl Dwarf
Revisiting these old minis has brought up a lot of stuff in my head. The first topic I’ll address is “Size”. The scale of these minis is pretty small, compared to the 2017 Blood Bowl minis I’ve been working on recently. I realize that scale of minis has tended to creep up over time. Some speculate it was Games Workshop’s (and possibly other manufacturer’s) way of forcing hobbyists to spend more money. I’m not a wargamer, but I can see how changing the scale or otherwise making someone’s massive army now undeployable….would rightfully cause some serious hatred. It’s not like a faction getting nerfed in a computer game, where you just have to learn how to play something else. No, it’s saying goodbye to a million hours of very hard work of getting the mini prepped, painted, and made table ready. Multiplied by all the minis in your army. Plus all the money the person spent.
Another thought is that miniature scale has crept up because of the ability to add more details to the mini. That seems like a positive thing, and I’ll likely blog about that one later.
Another benefit of small miniature sizes is storage. This is what really struck me. “How many of these minis could I fit into a small box?!”. Awesome size for taking back and forth. I’ve toted the Cthulhu Wars game to our boardgame night before….if the minis in that game were this size, I could probably fit all of them in my pocket!
So the smaller size of minis back in the day, was nice for storage and how many figures you could get on a map. Not so much for sculptors adding details. Thoughts? Anyone prefer smaller or larger scale minis?